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Old Dec 06, 2007, 12:27 PM // 12:27   #21
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Guess I have to expand I little bit because you guys know nothing about mmorpgs.


Warcraft Guild Wars

Gnomes Asura

-Both are short, small, pale, addicted to magic, create "gizmos"
D&D Gnomes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnome_%...%26_Dragons%29
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Tauren Charr

-Share the exact same skin just one is done to wow graphics and one is done to gw graphics
LoL. Same skin... right. Again, anthropomorphism wasn't created by Blizzard.
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Illidan Shiro

-Both are dual wielding, villians, that betrayed their people
Dual wielding betrayer?
http://uk.games-workshop.com/chaosspacemarines/kharn/1/
Khârn the Betrayer.
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Arthas Vizer Kilbron

-Both are altered/changed by an ancient artifact and use an ancient artifact to do evil magic
Wow... ancient artifacts and evil magic. Never heard of that plot device before.
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They are extremely similar. Whether you choose to be guild wars fan boys or accept the truth is up to you.
And to finish: GTFO
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Old Dec 06, 2007, 12:35 PM // 12:35   #22
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Old Dec 06, 2007, 01:09 PM // 13:09   #23
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Guess I have to expand I little bit because you guys know nothing about mmorpgs.


Warcraft Guild Wars

Gnomes Asura

-Both are short, small, pale, addicted to magic, create "gizmos"
Alright, they are very similar. But at least Anet created the appearance of the Asura. WoW just took Gnomes straight out of every other source that had the generic gnome.

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Tauren Charr

-Share the exact same skin just one is done to wow graphics and one is done to gw graphics
Uhh... exact same skin? I see no similarities between a huge bull-human hybrid and a cat-human hybrid, just like I see no similarity between a cat and a cow in reality. Also, the Charr are nothing like the Tauren (from what I saw when I played the WoW trial my brother gave me as a joke). The Charr are quite cunning, malicious, very fast, and devastating. The Tauren are slow and stupid. They are nothing alike.

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Illidan Shiro

-Both are dual wielding, villians, that betrayed their people
I don't know who Illidan is, so I can't really say anything about him. However, Shiro was corrupted by the Fortune Teller, when she told him that the Emporer was planning to kill him, unless he acted first.

Slight Spoiler follows

In a Nightfall side quest, you track down the Fortune Teller, and you find out that she is actually a servant of Abaddon, which is why she corrupted Shiro.

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Arthas Vizer Kilbron

-Both are altered/changed by an ancient artifact and use an ancient artifact to do evil magic
Again, I know nothing about Arthas, but Vizier Khilbron was not changed by any ancient artifact. He originally was the advisor to the King of Orr, and he caused the Cataclysm that destroyed Orr to stop the Charr from advancing. The way I see it, he only became the Lich afterward, when he was also corrupted by a servant of Abaddon (as suggested in a quest in the Realm of Torment... forgot its name. The one where you help that guy save the souls of the Orrians). The scepter of Orr never did anything to Vizier Khilbron. It was just a very powerful artifact that he wanted to wield to take over the world. (That is just my interpretation of the events. But I think it's pretty certain that Vizier Khilbron was the Lich before he ever got his hands on the Scepter of Orr).

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They are extremely similar. Whether you choose to be guild wars fan boys or accept the truth is up to you.
Call me a fan boy if you like, but I prefer to look at all the facts before I make a judgement about similarities between two things. Yes, there are similarities, but as I said in a previous post, there always will be if you look long and hard enough. People borrow ideas all the time. WoW definitely "borrows" a lot of ideas, and so does GW. But from what I have seen, GW has a lot more in it that is original in terms of lore than WoW has.
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Old Dec 06, 2007, 01:19 PM // 13:19   #24
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Yeah Tabula Rasa has to be the worst Lord British has done. He should have stuck with Ultima and the Avatar stories. I never liked any of his stuff after that. Ultima IV is the best ever.
Ultima IV = best ever
Ultima V = second best ever

Is there any way I can run those games these days?
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Old Dec 06, 2007, 01:27 PM // 13:27   #25
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Ultima IV = best ever
Ultima V = second best ever

Is there any way I can run those games these days?
Try DOSbox, it is an DOS emulator.
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Old Dec 06, 2007, 01:34 PM // 13:34   #26
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Ultima IV = best ever
Ultima V = second best ever

Is there any way I can run those games these days?
Yeah, dosbox would run them perfectly. However, there are a lot of more specific programs in development that you can use to play the ultima games. One to run Ultima IV is xu4, which is cool because you can choose VGA graphics as an option, which is pretty. I'm not sure if it's been properly released yet, or whether it is still in testing. But I think it is fully playable in its current state. I'll just find the URL.

http://xu4.sourceforge.net/

And the URL for dosbox is

http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/news.php?show_news=1
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Old Dec 06, 2007, 02:06 PM // 14:06   #27
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Peter Molyneux has created some of my favorite games ever: Populous, Magic Carpet, Syndicate & Dungeon Keeper (yeah, i'm old). He deserves his lunacy

Lord British though... better let Yahtzee explain it -> http://www.escapistmagazine.com/arti...on-Tabula-Rasa

In the article General British sounds like he is looking for excuses blaming too many beta testers having the wrong impression. Maybe he's just sulking, because he can't pay for his space flight (again).

What does this mean for Guild Wars? Besides Aion and CoX NCSoft will most definitely pay more attention on GW2's progress (and maybe some investment to keep GW1 players happy).
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Old Dec 06, 2007, 02:29 PM // 14:29   #28
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Peter Molyneux has created some of my favorite games ever: Populous, Magic Carpet, Syndicate & Dungeon Keeper (yeah, i'm old). He deserves his lunacy

Lord British though... better let Yahtzee explain it -> http://www.escapistmagazine.com/arti...on-Tabula-Rasa

In the article General British sounds like he is looking for excuses blaming too many beta testers having the wrong impression. Maybe he's just sulking, because he can't pay for his space flight (again).

What does this mean for Guild Wars? Besides Aion and CoX NCSoft will most definitely pay more attention on GW2's progress (and maybe some investment to keep GW1 players happy).
Holy crap, thanks so much for that link!

I think I'll go and watch everything this guy's ever done now...
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Old Dec 06, 2007, 02:40 PM // 14:40   #29
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Guess I have to expand I little bit because you guys know nothing about mmorpgs.


Warcraft Guild Wars

Gnomes Asura

-Both are short, small, pale, addicted to magic, create "gizmos"

Tauren Charr

-Share the exact same skin just one is done to wow graphics and one is done to gw graphics

Illidan Shiro

-Both are dual wielding, villians, that betrayed their people

Arthas Vizer Kilbron

-Both are altered/changed by an ancient artifact and use an ancient artifact to do evil magic

They are extremely similar. Whether you choose to be guild wars fan boys or accept the truth is up to you.


So the savage fire worshipping lion like charr resemble the nature loving, balance preserving nomadic tauren?


Someone has some analytical issues....
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Old Dec 06, 2007, 02:49 PM // 14:49   #30
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hahahaha

am I the only one who's not reading the article, instead looking at RG's pictures and think he's very cute? :P
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Old Dec 06, 2007, 03:22 PM // 15:22   #31
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Whether you choose to be guild wars fan boys or accept the truth is up to you.
LOL. Trying to insult people by calling them GW fanboys when you yourself are posting on a GW fan site... just LOL
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Old Dec 06, 2007, 03:24 PM // 15:24   #32
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He was bad-mouthing GW's non-subscription formula once.
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Old Dec 06, 2007, 03:46 PM // 15:46   #33
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Alright, they are very similar. But at least Anet created the appearance of the Asura. WoW just took Gnomes straight out of every other source that had the generic gnome.
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Old Dec 06, 2007, 04:15 PM // 16:15   #34
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Oh, so we're still on that topic.

Well. Everything is stolen (er, sorry, "borrowed") from something. Period.

OK, next topic?
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Old Dec 06, 2007, 05:09 PM // 17:09   #35
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He was bad-mouthing GW's non-subscription formula once.
Apparently it was miscommunication.
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Old Dec 06, 2007, 08:13 PM // 20:13   #36
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Apparently it was miscommunication.
I don't believe it was...

he was just trying to save face. "Lord British" strikes me as a very conceited man, who probably thinks his ideas are better than anyone elses.

Even this "praise" of GW's beta is criticism in disguise: "It's not fair because their beta was finished!"

Cry me a river...
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Old Dec 06, 2007, 08:48 PM // 20:48   #37
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They are extremely similar. Whether you choose to be guild wars fan boys or accept the truth is up to you.
It beats being a WoW fanboy at a GW fansite.

I am so tired of these GW stole from WoW posts. What's you point anyway clown? Its just a game, not a work of art. All that matters if whether its fun. And here's a news flash for you: WoW is not exactly the most original game out there.

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hahahaha

am I the only one who's not reading the article, instead looking at RG's pictures and think he's very cute? :P
I'm guessing you're the only one.
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ok -.- this took me fore ever to find because I forgot how they named it, but I think it totaly appropriate for that GW vs WoW debate going on here

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/04/10
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Since GW is made from people who worked at Blizzard, is it really that big a surprise there are similarities in a fanstasy based MMORPG?

I think WoW posters here are just jealous or something that all the top Blizzard designers packed up and founded Anet.

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ok -.- this took me fore ever to find because I forgot how they named it, but I think it totaly appropriate for that GW vs WoW debate going on here

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/04/10
I loved that comic. Of course, it's not like Games Workshop doesn't steal stuff....

as I said earlier, everything evolves from something else.
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Old Dec 06, 2007, 11:47 PM // 23:47   #40
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ok -.- this took me fore ever to find because I forgot how they named it, but I think it totaly appropriate for that GW vs WoW debate going on here

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/04/10
Perfect discussion closer.

We just have to live with the deluded 14 year olds who believe fantasy starts and ends with Warcraft.
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